Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Post #7-Arguments

Explain what makes an argument strong? Provide examples.

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  1. A strong argument makes a clear overall claim that relevantly supports the decision in the case. It is supported with good reasoning and does not waver on its stance on the discussed topic. It takes the audience into consideration to prove its point using various examples to support its conclusion. Such an example would exist in a debate of the controversial topic surrounding the moral and legal status of abortion. One would argue that women should have a right to have an abortion due to the “pro-choice” movement. It emphasizes the right of women to choose whether they wish to bring a fetus to term. To make a strong argument, they would use statistics of the number of children put into adoption. Some children may not find a loving home and may face ill-treatment and negligence. Also, if a woman is not able to bear a child due to health issues such as a diagnosis of cancer, the speaker would say that women should have a choice whether to bear the child because the surge in hormones in pregnancy can lead to a growth in cancer cells later on. A strong argument would take into consideration the argument of the opposing team to benefit in the cross-examining to prove further points.

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  2. A strong argument is an argument that cannot be proven wrong. One that can be questioned but never really disproven. A strong argument is clear, consistent, coherent, comprehensive and compelling. Strong argument can also often times persuade the opposing argument to view yours as true. My example would be arguing that god is real. I believe in my god, but Of course there are some people in the christian religion who sometimes like to question the existence of our god. My number one argument of god's existence is that Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us. In the end, this argument all comes back to faith and what you choose to believe in.

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  3. A strong argument is really anything that passes the 6 criteria we learned in class, which are clarity, consistency, coherence, comprehensiveness, compatibility, and compelling arguments. Basically the listener needs to be able to understand the side the person is taking and why. The argument must be backed by factual information and philosophy. It must maintain a certain pace so that the listener is pulled into the argument and might even be persuaded. It should also provide a proper explanation for its reasoning without falling into contradictions. For example, a person that is pro-death penalty will argue by providing information that benefits the listener and sympathizes with victims. They might also cite economic advantages, as Chandanie did today.

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  4. What makes an argument strong is bringing in facts and finding flaws in an argument and destroying them, causing your argument to be generally flawless, or rather with the least amount of flaws you can have because nothing can be flawless. Providing enough examples, facts, possible quotes from distinguished figures on your argument, and giving strong points that cannot be easily changed. A strong argument that is very often argued is abortion should be illegal. I do not believe this because, at the same time it seems to be anit-life, its not the states decision to make like other matters. Keeping a baby and or giving birth to said baby should be only the person's choice because it is their body, not the governments and what they do with it is up to them. Its not society's choice for women to get pregnant, and some times its not the women's faults either there can be problems with many things. But, because it was never governments choice in whether or not the person got pregnant, they cannot decide for the person if they should keep their child or not have it. Sometimes a women is not able to keep a baby because they are not financially stable, sometimes they cannot keep a baby because they are too young--but unless government wants to help these women who can't keep their children, it shouldn't be their choice if the woman can get an abortion or not.

    Though there are still flaws with my argument, I'm sure its because I didn't research thoroughly. If I had provided examples, court cases, etc. my point could have come across more clear and with more evidence that abortion is no ones choice but the person who is with child..

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  5. What makes an argument strong is when they have good Clarity, consistency, coherence, comprehensiveness, compatibility, and compelling arguments. For the clarity, all the examples are clear and are not too vague. We must understand what they are telling us and know what their position is. For example, "I believe prostitution should be legalized". For consistency, we must be consistent with their position and must not provide contradictory statements. For example, "Capital punishment is immoral because it is wrong to kill people. Capital Punishment displays the theory of "An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind" ". For Coherence, we must state reasoning on how the theory makes sense. For example, "Capital Punishment is immoral because killing people is wrong. How does killing someone for killing someone solve anything? For Comprehensiveness, we must include all aspects of philosophy such as humanity's scientific, moral, aesthetic, and religious experiences in order to formulate a good claim. "I believe in Islam because of the Quran." For Compatibility, we should have a good theory that would increase our understanding of knowledge and sometimes requires us to violate common sense. For example, "the mind should fit with the will established findings of biology and psychology." Finally for compelling arguments, we must have a sufficient basis for our understanding, as it won't violate a fact with subjective volume. For example, "The sun is blue" , we cannot say that because it violates a fact, but you can still believe that if you wish.

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  6. A characteristic that I believe makes an argument strong is if we can find objective reasons of why we should or should not believe a specific claim is true. Also if the argument is one with claims that can be justified, if it posses claims that are clear in which could be interpreted correctly and understood by everyone and if the argument is not vague nor inconsistent, I believe that these characteristics contribute to making any argument strong . The argument must simply be based on facts and not influenced by personal feeling or opinion. For instance, building upon our discussion we had in class today, as philosopher Fabian had said, capital punishment is wrong because it is not right to kill anyone because it is not our place. However, this argument is weak because if Fabian were to be in a situation where someone is holding a gun pointed directly towards him with the intentions to try to hurt him or kill him and they are both pushing the weapon away, if Fabian manages to take the gun will he just runaway from the person with the gun in his hand because the threat is over or if he manages to take the weapon will he in the mist of the confrontation just shoot the person with it as self defense. It only takes one shot to in the right place to kill someone so what if he manages to hit a certain spot where this will occur, will he be going against his argument when in reality he just killed a person when trying to defend himself? Is it still not his place if he did this action on accident when the threat was over, now he would be considered the murderer. This an the example similar to the one philosopher Dr. Birgeles gave in our class discussion today.

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  8. A strong argument passes the six tests we have learned in class. These six tests involve the presence of efficient clarity, consistence, coherence, comprehensiveness, compatibility, and compelling. It must not only be logical but also persuasive in a way. As said in class, the argument has to be real, true, and moral. The argument must be logical and be backed up by existing, proven, and sometimes accepted facts and theories. Strong arguments will mostly likely go beyond empiricism at times and be presented in an articulate manner. Communication is a very important aspect of arguments and is sometimes overlooked. How one expresses an argument can add to the strength of the argument.

    An example of a strong argument is that people who are against abortion will utilize examples of why a controversial procedure should be done. Jasmine provides an example linked to a woman who has cancer and those malignant cells may spread due to pregnancy. That is a strong argument because it appeals to humanists who care for life and want life to spread more than before. That woman, in that circumstance, may possibly die if she continues to be pregnant. And what's even more significant is that her child will be motherless and most likely very ill due to the conditions of the mother. Currently, there is almost no effective treatment for malignant tumors in children. Chemotherapy is not effective on people of all ages and it has not been tested very well on the very young as of now. There are patients as old as 2 with cancer but they do not survive for very long, according to the letter I saw from Saint Jude's hospital. This argument is scientifically backed by evidence and takes into consideration the various circumstances of people. It respects human life and wants to decrease the pain of mothers.


    To go to the flip side, let's look at the pro-life stance on abortion. This sides states that it is not the right of another human to take away the life of another. This is a commonly accepted belief in society. The pro-life supporters also bring up the long term dangers of abortion. Abortion is proven to cause certain kinds of natal disorders. Some mothers may even lose their reproductive abilities after an abortion. It is an extremely dangerous process that can possibly bring the mother harm. Also, this side claims that if you are pregnant, the spouses are responsible for the child because it was initially their decision to have intercourse. If you can provide for the child and there is no health concern, you should take responsibility. That is the moral and logical thing to do. The arguments provided by this side are very persuasive as they scientifically make sense and follow morality. They are appealing to listen to and allow humans to establish their roles of responsibility. Therefore, it is trying to say something positive.

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  10. An argument is between two people naturally. I believe an argument is strong if it is supported by fact and it makes logical sense, but also at the same time shoots down the opposing argument.

    For example: Same sex marriage. I am for it, but why am I for it?

    1: People can not control who they are attracted to. If a man is attracted to a man, and a woman is attracted to a woman, it is because that is how they are naturally.

    2: What religion has a right to say same sex marriage is wrong? Just because it is written down means it is automatically truth and law that we must abide by?

    Those are just two reasons for this, but I won't expand on it because I believe those should suffice.

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  11. A strong argument has six key requirements. Its got to have clarity, consistence, coherence, comprehensiveness, compatiblity, and if it is compelling. If an argument has successfully covered all six requirements it is a great argument that can't be proven wrong. A good argument should not just be based on moral beliefs, nor should it be just straight facts. A good argument should consist of both moral beliefs, to sway a persons view based on what they believe, and the facts to prove that your moral beliefs arein fact correct. The argumnt must also be well put together and organzed, if your jumping around to several different points without justifying any of them then you can dig youself a hole you can't get out of.
    Tody in class Ishrat gave a great argumnt on whether or not prostitution should be legal. Her argument was stating that he thought it should b legal in the U.S. She stated each of her beliefs about the argument and then supported those beliefs with facts. It was extremely well put together and well thought out. Each on of her points, whether they were moral beliefs or straight facts, were very well supported with a boat load of information.
    This is what i believe a great, undisputed argument should consist of: the six elements we had discussed in class with a combination of moral beliefs and straight facts about the topic being discussed.

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  12. If an argument cannot be disputed since it has evidence and reasoning that support it to the extent where it becomes irrefutable it can be considered a strong argument. The evidence provided to support an argument must be clear (the resolution being debated is airtight and comprehendible), consistent (the evidence provided does not contradict itself), coherent (the evidence provided complements and builds on each other), comprehensive (evidence makes sense and addresses different perspectives), and compatible with multiple sources of accepted knowledge and truth in order to be compelling. A strong argument also utilizes Aristotle’s Appeals of Ethos, Pathos, and Logos; credibility, logic, and emotion and can address the opposition levelly and completely decimate it.

    A fantastic example would be arguments/debates on the topic of same-sex marriage. The resolution would be same-sex marriage should be legalized in the United States because homosexuals are no different than heterosexuals and homosexuality isn’t a ‘sin’ or wrong.

    I just clearly stated my view and to make it a strong argument I would have to provide affirmatives that support it and address the opposition.

    For example, biologically homosexuals are no different from heterosexuals as both are human. Humans have natural rights, and nowhere in the constitution does it say it is unconstitutional for two people of the same sex to marry.

    The Bible is a book that has been rewritten over and over countless times along the course of history to fit the purposes of the times, and it saying that homosexuality is sinful can actually be debated as translations from other languages can lead to misinterpretation and deceit as synonymous words are used because there are no exact translations. The use of the Bible as a sound authority to dispute homosexuality is invalid because in the United States there is a separation of church and state, and the church no longer makes the law, so it should not have any effect on the legalization of homosexual marriage.

    One can also say that marriage is a human right and not just a heterosexual privilege. America is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave where there is opportunity around every corner and tolerance and acceptance for all. Every human being should have the freedom to marry. (I personally believe the constitution of marriage is unnecessary, but that’s a discussion for another time.)

    Additionally, the ways in which a homosexual couple shows their affection for one another is no different than the ways a heterosexual couple expresses affection i.e. kissing, hugging, holding hands, smiling, etc. What they do in the bedroom is no one else’s business—besides heterosexuals can participate in sodomy as well, and the act of sex is the same in both cases which is to stimulate physical pleasure and bring two beings closer together. Love knows no bounds and the act of marriage symbolizes the union, commitment, and promise of two people to be faithful and true to each other, and if two people love each other and want to marry why should their gender matter?

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  13. A strong argument is one that is eloquently corroborated, that is supported by quantifiable and sustainable evidence or proof, that cannot be easily dismissed or argued against. A strong argument cannot be contradicted easily and leaves no room for backpedaling or further articulation. Arguments are considered strong when the conclusion does not contradict the premise and vice versa.



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  15. An argument is a set of claims that is supported by more claims. It consists of a conclusion that is supported by the premise which is the reason why you should believe in the conclusion. A strong argument begins with enough information being provided to portray that it is an actual argument. A strong argument is an argument that is properly constructed. An argument can be true, while an argument that is strong can also be false.

    An Example: Monkeys have purple teeth.
    Iktider is a monkey.
    So then, Iktider has purple teeth.
    Even though its not true, its a strong argument because it has a conclusion and a premise.

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  16. A strong argument consists of six key requirements clarity, consistence, coherence, comprehensiveness, compatiblity, and if it is compelling. These things make an argument strong, but not invincible. A great argument is when you make a point and you have facts to support it and if it is something religious like "If Jesus existed?", you need some type of 1st person or 2nd person proof. By first person i mean that is there something Jesus wrote like a personal diary. By second person i mean was there someone who has actually seen him and has recorded his great actions. If you don't have either of your argument will be unsupported and weak. So i think you need some kind of proof or evidence to support your argument to make it strong.
    Example:
    I make a claim that i am tall for my age. Some one disagrees and says i am average hieght for my age. Then i will go on google type in "average hieght for 16year olds" and prove through facts that my statement was valid.

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  17. What makes an argument strong is when they have good Clarity, consistency, coherence, comprehensiveness, compatibility, and compelling arguments.Strong argument can also often times persuade the opposing argument to view yours as true.For example the topic of wheter the goverment should ban the 32 ounce soda. An argument could be on one person will stat that by banning this that they are violating our rigth so it will be unjust in the other hand somemay argue all the health risk on drinking a 32 ounce. so all this will make a compelling arugement

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